The criticism of the president’s pardon of his son from within his own party underscores how far gone his relationship with Democrats in Congress already was.

Targeting of critics came up in Andreessen's discussion with Rogan. Andreessen related that his business partner Ben Horowitz's father, conservative writer David Horowitz, has been debanked—denied financial services by one or more banks—as has one of his employees, "for having the wrong politics."